Below is the Design,
The input has three wires,
Red wire to the positive terminal of battery.
Black wire to the negative terminal of battery.
Yellow wire/ Acc to the ignition/ switched power source.
The out put also has three pins as below,
Red pin + Black pin = Out put 5.3V, that is to power up the camera system.
Yellow pin + Black pin = Out put 5.0V, that is the signal to trigger the camera system starting or stopping work.
The converter can detect the Voltage of battery, more than 12V or less, and that generates two different performance.
When Motorcycle battery is more than 12V,
First turn on ignition,
Red pin and Yellow pin output 5.3V and 5V to power up the camera system 10 seconds later.
Then turn ignition off,
Yellow pin output will be 0V after 5 seconds, the camera system stop recording and save the last video clips.
Red pin output still has 5.3V output, but the camera system stop recording after 5 seconds and stand by.
Turn ignition on again,
Same as the first run.
When Motorcycle battery is less than 12V.
the difference compared to the battery is more than 12V is after turn ignition off, Yellow pin output will be 0V after 5 seconds, and Red pin out put will be 0V after 10 seconds. that is to protect the motorcycle battery does not drain.
My experience as well - the drain isn't an issue. I do cheat, by keeping my bike on a battery tender whenever it's in the garage. But that's mainly so my battery will last longer overall. It's cheap insurance.
When I reported, together with a friend, the issue of the battery draining, we got for free a new converter that we appreciated a lot. Well, I have to say that this was around one year ago...
Not sure about which converter we got, and during this confinement days reading again this threat, I've checked that what I have in my bike is the "blue led" version.
It has been working fine for me during all this time, but today I wanted to check if it would drain the battery if connected directly (as all my additional electrical stuff is connected after a relay).
I've checked that it drains 1,60 mAh if connected directly to the battery (what is not the case).
I do not change my installation in the bike as I have "some" other stuff connected. But at this consumption a full charged battery would take many months before being discharged.
I am now on my third power supply. This has got to stop.
The problem I keep having is that the K2 will shut down for no apparent reason. Innovv, please verify that the power supply should NEVER shut down the K2 as long as it sees adequate voltage. Based on the chart on page 1, it seems it should not.
My existing power supply keeps shutting off the K2 with plenty of voltage present. With engine running, the power supply is getting 14.5V at all times. We couldn't think of any reason this would happen, so my vendor sent me yet another replacement power supply, last week. Have not yet had a chance to install it, so don't know yet whether this will actually fix the problem.
I also started with the old converter (and had power issues that manifest as corrupt and missing files). Rock's customer service guys sent out a replacement power converter (the new design with the blue LED). It has only been installed about 1 month so far, but with good results.
One note, the new converter has different sized quick connectors (finer pin size and metal locking ring). Confirm with them about the type of connectors your system has when you call, or you might have to wait for some extra shipping times.
I have left the motorcycle unused during some maintenance recently. It was not started or charged for 2 weeks (14 days). I checked on it occasionally, and the blue LED remained lit for probably 10 - 12 days (I didn't check it every day, but the blue LED was still lit when checked at over 1 week of sitting). When finishing up the maintenance on the 14th day, I did observe that the blue LED had gone out. I assume this to mean that the voltage had dropped low enough for it to shut itself off. I can't speak to the specific situation mentioned by freespaceimpedance above. However, I did turn the DVR on (switched bike to "P") without starting the bike and connected to the DVR via WiFi. It showed a couple of recorded videos from the power up, then gave me the live views and functioned normally with the ACC on, but still under-voltage and engine off. When I keyed off the bike, it returned to the blue LED off "under-volt" state. I returned shortly after with all my riding gear on and the motorcycle (1000cc V-Twin) started right up and showed no signs of lack of battery power. From the under-volt condition, the ACC was activated, the engine started and the DVR recorded as normal for the next 100 miles until I shut everything down back in my garage. If it matters, I am also not using the parking mode and have a recently installed Yuasa GYZ16H (note that the 16AH battery is higher capacity than the factory 12AH battery for my motorcycle).
So far the new design of the pwer converter cube has given me good results, although it hasn't been in service as long as the previous power cube was before the old one started giving me issues. A little more time will tell... The off state parasitic draw of the new design appears to be much improved.
If I understand the chart correctly, is it possible that the K2 will not power up even though the bike is running and producing >12V, in some special cases? It looks that way, because it seems that the power supply will only turn the K2 on when it senses the "ACC" circuit go from Off to On, AND the electrical system is above 12V. For example, if you turn the bike key "On" (electrics on but engine not running) and sit too long, the system voltage may drop below 12V (e.g. weak battery). I expect the power supply would see that and power off the K2. Then once you do start the engine, the K2 won't turn on because it doesn't see the ACC circuit go from off to on, even though the system voltage is now well above 12V.
Asking because I think this happened on a trip over the weekend. I noticed the K2 was not on, even though I was on the highway & my voltage monitor indicated plenty of power. But I had sat on the bike for a while before starting. The battery is a few years old, so it's possible it is weak & getting down below 12V if I sit with the electrics on for too long before starting the engine. I am not using parking mode, in case it matters.
my 1299s seems not to have an easy way for 12v acc for the yellow wire with out tapping into wires most of which on the can bus, I have a rapid bike and can easily tap into 5v switched with key/acc. Is that enough for the yellow wire ? I ran red/black direct to battery. It seems the horn is switched with hot wire and not ground or i am way too tired...
Installed the latest converter. I did not run any bench tests first, and noticed that even when the DVR is off the blue led remains on even overnight.
Rock- Can you explain the functioning of the new inverter? Does it only drop to 1ma once the battery voltage drops enough for the LED to go out?
As the post, we take responsibility on that, will send new converter to the existing customers.
For those who are looking for more details about progress of the problem, you will be disappointed
https://www.innovv.com/forum/innovv-k2/off-battery-drain%3Fpage%3D2
I’m looking at purchasing but very concerned about the issues mentioned in this thread. Have they been fixed?
I have the same story here. A bit more than a week and a brand new, fully charged Yausa battery died. Drain is huge!
Hi - had a positive experience and response. Fault appears to be sorted. Customer Services contacted me and sent out a replacement power converter. Definitely an improvement. Day 5 and battery reading 12.6v using a multi meter. In the past this would been around 11.8v. If the bike starts after 10 days i will be happy. I was just concerned being stranded after 3 or 4 days. Tech support & Customer service have been excellent in the UK.
I have contacted them today re a fault and battery drain. I am hopeful they will resolve these issues.
Will keep you informed.
sooooo... the new power converter is in delivery today, the customs did not asked any money... i'm so happy! this weekend I will test the cam and see if the battery goes down during the night... my lithium battery has a button to check the charge
great news, I received the track number for the expedition of my new smart converter.
I will surely post in the forum a review and test how much my battery can last with the new converter!
Sorry for the delay reply, just got back from Chinese new year holidays.
Whatever you trust or not, we have been working on re-design the converter. and promise the problem should be fixed.
Will keep you updated on those, and once new converter is ready, you will get free replacement.
For temporary solution, remove the fuse from the converter if do not ride for few days.
Andrea Z, it seems Rock & the team are not the only ones not reading the multitude of threads here. THEY ARE AWARE and thinking/hoping because you got a personal response from him stating otherwise is deluded mate!
Have you had a reply to your email mentioned above, " MY ANSWER TO THEM: "
If you want to prove a point (if only to yourself) message him one last time and challenge him to tell you again that he is unaware!
They are unaware!?!?! WTF his posts are clearly visible in page one of this discussion!
So....what was his response to your personal message, other than the lie that he was not aware of the issue!?
I'm sorry but any decent developer would be constantly monitoring their own online presence to see what feedback they are getting that might help &/or prevent future sales potential.
It is either HW, or FW, or both - They are definitely aware, but either don't care, or don't have the necessary skill set required to fix this problem quickly, or they would!
to everybody having the battery draining issue, please write privately to INNOVV, I did yesterday and Rock answered as the issue is something new and never heard.... If they receive an email from everybody maybe they will be forced to face the problem.
I think everyone is losing sight of the big picture.
Even though I had some dissatisfaction, the fault was my own; I didn't take any time to learn the system before leaving home with it. The battery drain caught me out once, which cost me a battery charger; Easily remedied with a switch. Meh. The software is an issue away from home as updating the firmware with an android phone isn't possible. Again, Meh- except that I didn't capture some of the best footage of my trip. Ok, aggro but I didn't lose a limb. The thing is inexpensive. It's enormously easier to use, and makes better video on a bike than a GoPro, and less expensive to boot especially if you want 2 GoPros to capture front and rear. I did pay $50 for the upgraded version of the recommended editing software for the videos; but it is so much easier and intuitive than GoPro, and takes up so much less space that I'll probably give my GoPro to the kids or something. So at the end of the day, there is no better system available, and given the ultimate performance of the K2 and price, and that if it was made by some huge corporation like HP it would cost x3, we should just be thankful it exists at all. Support is small because the crew is small. It works, I've figured it out and carried my own bags and I'm extremely satisfied, all in.